Evocation-experience

[Isis]

Yesterday we had an opening at our gallery. The grand opening.
I woke up a total wreck, with severe backpain and feeling so miserable
I thought I had to pass. I saw double and my selfpity did raise with the second.
So I went to take a shower and decided to evoke a servitor just for
one day. Amorus. Made from earth and water elements a la Bardon.
The moment I arrived not only all pain had gone, but I found myself
in an excellent social mood, I also had to nothing to make contact,
most people just had to talk to me!
Boy  I felt glad. What would I have done without Amorus yesterday.
It worked!
 
 

[Defenestrator]

Something similar happened to me a couple of days ago. I was playing a weekly musical duo gig with another musician. we've been doing it for a while, so sometimes it can feel a bit routine and boring if we're not careful. Lately I've been bothered by neck, shoulder, and back pain, and my left elbow often feels like it is getting arthritic or something -- it hurts to bend it.

At some point during the evening, the other musician started playing with an unusual amount of fire and enthusiasm, as if he was possessed. I got caught up in it, too. By the end of the evening, my various pains and stiffness had completely disappeared, and have not returned. The difference is that I don't recall doing any specific working or ritual to effect that; and the other guy, while he's a psychotherapist and kind of new-agey, I'm pretty sure he's not into any ritual or ceremonial magic-stuff. So it was very striking to me, but I'm not sure where it came from.

[Isis]

Two categories of magick?
The one that you provoke and the one that comes for free.
I suspect your subby has done an evokation without you noticing?
and what if that seemed possible? It would explain miracles.

[Ratatosk]

Defenestrator,

retroactive enchantment perhaps?

Ratatosk

[Defenestrator]

Two categories of magick?
The one that you provoke and the one that comes for free.
I suspect your subby has done an evokation without you noticing?
and what if that seemed possible? It would explain miracles.

Yes, I had thought of that as a possibility. It's actually the most likely "rational" explanation I can come up with for now. That is very cool if that's what's happening.

Or, as Ratastosk, says, retroactive enchantment. I'm going to have to wrap my brain around that one for a while. Lately I've found myself attracted to books and articles having to do with the nature of time, just because I have a hunch that mosbunall of us humans are trapped by the mainstream conception/invention of time.

So I like mind-warping articles about time that will scramble my mental eggs  . If anyone has any favorites, to pass on, please do...

[8 Wasps]

So I like mind-warping articles about time that will scramble my mental eggs  . If anyone has any favorites, to pass on, please do...

These for Fotamecus chronicles:

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/fotamec1.html
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/fotamec2.html
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/rites/fotamec3.html

and google "Chronomancy", if you can filter all the RPG stuff.

[Defenestrator]

So I like mind-warping articles about time that will scramble my mental eggs  . If anyone has any favorites, to pass on, please do...

These for Fotamecus chronicles:

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/fotamec1.html
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/fotamec2.html
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/rites/fotamec3.html

and google "Chronomancy", if you can filter all the RPG stuff.

Excellent -- a servitor that expands and compresses your time for you! Have you worked with it, 8wasps?

[anosognosia]

I've used Fotamecus with some success, but always felt tired afterwards. I followed the rules carefully (instructing the servitor where to dump the change in time), but did experience unexpected fatigue. Artemis speculated that this fatigue and the fatigue that somebunall experience with S.V. might have some relation to the use of a viral servitor. I don't know.

[Defenestrator]

I've used Fotamecus with some success, but always felt tired afterwards. I followed the rules carefully (instructing the servitor where to dump the change in time), but did experience unexpected fatigue. Artemis speculated that this fatigue and the fatigue that somebunall experience with S.V. might have some relation to the use of a viral servitor. I don't know.

Interesting -- I will have to give it a try myself.

[Telarus, KSC]

Y'know, I've read up on Fotamecus (didn't some-one post a link to the "creation story"?). Haven't tried anything with F yet, but.......

Why should I bother to Evoke F?

At this stage in it's manefistation would it be more prudent to Invoke F?

When does a 'viral servitor' make the leap to 'demi-god' or 'Orisha' (Vodun Spirits...and you can see that no 'evocation' enters into the traditionally taught interaction with these entities)?

I would consider S.V. (don't want to chance mispelling her name ^_^) as still a "servitor" with a viral aspect, but maybe not yet an Orisha, even a minor one. Age may show itself as a factor (How old do YOU think Chango [sic} is?)

Thoughts?

[Travis Anderson]

It may not be a good idea to invest too much into a servitor to the point where one starts invoking it. That sort of defeats the purpose, I think.

[flibbertigibbet]

It may not be a good idea to invest too much into a servitor to the point where one starts invoking it. That sort of defeats the purpose, I think.

yeah if you want the mainline stuff just invoke chronos

[Subliminally Obvious]

It may not be a good idea to invest too much into a servitor to the point where one starts invoking it. That sort of defeats the purpose, I think.

yeah if you want the mainline stuff just invoke chronos

I'm not sure about that.  It seems to me that there might be good reasonst to invoke Fotamecus  rather than Chronos.  One could be seen as representing a path around the traditional view of timein which case the other might play the role of the time "establisment".   

For example, you might invoke Fotamecus to bring out the knack of slipping through the cracks of time with out Chronos catching you and putting you back on the chronologic straight path.

I don't see why one couldn't use the same thought form as a servitor or a god depending on the goals. 

[anosognosia]

At this stage in it's manefistation would it be more prudent to Invoke F?

This could explain alot. I may have acted with too much haste in assuming similarities between F as F has developed and S.V. If we think of F and S.V. as entitties, alive in some sense. S.V. behaves like a servitor and seems content with it. F wants to become a full-blown deity able to fight Chronos as Zeus did. So F may find evocation offensive. The "Fotamecus Empowerment Rite" 8wasps linked may work best now. Fenwick Rysen seems to think so, and he created the original servitor.

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/rites/fotamec3.html

Another option might be to create a new time servitor based on multidimensional time. We might see significantly different results from F. For instance, F only compresses or expands time. Perhaps a new servitor could take us sideways and back or forward?

[flibbertigibbet]

yeah if you want the mainline stuff just invoke chronos

I'm not sure about that.   

yeah i kinda meant that as a joke.  sort of like invoking GOD or ALLAH.  though who knows what you could get away with in those areas?  probably a lot of headaches.