define SERVITOR

[alk mem]

creative regression perhaps.....for the sake of argument.......

but how does everyone approach, mesh with THIS term?

seeing this thread, i was wondering how one would "siphon" off servitors or servitor-manufacturing components...from, say:


sigils


runes (especially bind-runes)


etc




is this a matter of (meta)psychology....i.e., "sleight-of-mind"?


is it all a matter of will? of knowing what one wants? of having a purpose? of keeping maximal/optional forces at play?

is this greedy? not the immoral greedy, but the inefficient "greedy" ? ?

[zach]

i still have a hard time believing in servitors. this hasnt stopped me from doing experiments with the concept. in fact recently i devised a servitor called sid ginfo, whos job deals with wealth (both psychological and material). i based his character on the knight of discs. i think rather than syphon off sigils and runes i incorporate them. i sort of see servitors as the renissance man to the idiot sevant of the sigil.

what do you mean by "insufficient greedy?"

[anosognosia]

I think I might define a servitor as a sigil that thinks for itself and can act again and again, or maybe an egregore egg depending on my perspective at the time.

[alk mem]

what do you mean by "insufficient greedy?"

you may have misread....

i was pointing towards an "inEFFICIENT" greediness.....and that meant that some of us may go blindly into will, thinking we w-a-n-t some "money" (for example......)

...........and that in itself isn't "bad" but quite too general..............and unEXPLORED.....

what IS money, value, need, etc? ? ?........all of that needs to be understood inside and out.

and of course it is personal, unique to each situation........

so, that's what i meant. or really, not what i MEANT, but what vagueness i was trying to efficiently point out......................

[zach]

very well put. its funny how a "su" in place of an "e" creates an entirely different scene. i have struggled with this very aspect of intention/will and am currently radically redifining my definition of "wealth"/money conciousness/investment.

[alk mem]

yeah, zach///same here.................and funny, in that i can admit to being quite developed and evolved in many ways.....but there are some basics that i know i am stumbling on, fumbling with.............

there is a theoretical will.........and to me to maintain that would take throwing myself into some deep flagellant practices..... . but i prefer a kinder, more razor sharp (and metaphorical) methode de  l'air........

yeah, an ether whip

 

[Isis]

Interesting question..... 

I recognize 2  kinds of servitors...

1) Those that I take from the Bardon paradigma and who are constructed from the elementals.
They act on their own have the energy from the elements , but have their thoughts and life through me. 
If I want those to live longer and to be powerful I give them a house of their own.

2) Those that I consider as subpersonalities and who I consider being under the personality folder magician.
I consider the last as appearing in my personality at times and also being made from my personal energy.
They act and think on their own like all  personalities.
If I don't want them to appear in my personality, I give them a physical house on their own.

3) I consider a sigil  not as servitor but more as a gate in the maze that I claim as mine , a gate that acts as attractor and facilitator and at times as magical spell.  With other words I don't make it really, but I discover it being there by making it. 
when do I know that I have discovered it. So far when it works.
I hope that I get to phase two: Creating a gate or cutting it into the maze of collective mind.

4) I consider an egregore a mindtree in the collective mind  that I mentally join and from which I gather fruits as well.
It is older then me and will live longer then I do.  I defend it and nourish it and work for it.  The people that belong to the egregore are my egregore brother and sisters. I am talking here about egregores  that offer initiations.

Naturally all  kinds of egregores can be joined simply by participating in them.