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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2006, 04:17:58 PM » |
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Very interesting interyplay  . I quite enjoyed reading it. Just to chime in, I have come upon CMT through Discordia, and if I may quote the impressive words of Malaclypse the Younger: At first, the things brought forth by Eris were in a state of chaos and went in every which way, but by the by She began playing with them and ordered some of them just to see what would happen. Some pretty things arose from this play and for the next five zillion years She amused Herself by creating order. And so She grouped some things with others and some groups with others, and big groups with little groups, and all combinations until She had many grand schemes which delighted Her.
Engrossed in establishing order, She finally one day noticed disorder (previously not apparent because everything was chaos). There were many ways in which chaos was ordered and many ways in which it was not.
"Hah," She thought, "Here shall be a new game."
And She taught order and disorder to play with each other in contest games, and to take turns amusing each other. She named the side of disorder after Herself, "ERISTIC" because Being is anarchic. And then, in a mood of sympathy for Her lonely sister, She named the other side "ANERISTIC" which flattered Aneris and smoothed the friction a little that was between them.
The emphasised theme seems to run all throught the Principia, and comprises one of the main "second order illuminations" that many (beleive it or not) discordians don't grasp at first. That "order" and "disorder" comprise two ways of viewing chaos means that to prefer one over the other wraps you in one of the Illusions (The ERISTIC Illusion, or the ANERISTIC Illusion). But until mankind evolved to perceive/manipulate Order, we could not perceive, nor comphrehend, nor even speculate about Disorder. Thus neither are true (in some sense), and yet neither are false (in some sense). This makes up a very good vector into Spare's Neither-Neither Meditation technique. Thus, to take for example the HGA, one may perceive it as Ordered higher-consciousness, or as Disordered higher-consiousness, yet neither ecompasses it fully, as we may also view it as Both, and Neither. One can only seem sure of this: To talk about it destroys it, to directly experience it creates it, and yet whatever you Name it both seem integral to the experience. Don't convince yourself that _either_ way has any greater value in all situations, as if you do you limit yourself needlessly for a short-term perceived-gain. As Crowley wrote: !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?..................a true initiation never ends. Namaste, Telarus, KSC |
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2006, 04:26:18 PM » |
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My apologies for not interacting much this last week but I've had a housefull of visitors, Arcanorium College to attend to, and Chaos Magic in Business to tidy up.
8 Wasps, I've still not managed to break into the stanford time geometry material, I'd appreciate anything you can send.
Felbers solution seems to suffer from similar problems to the Alcubierre warp drive, it would seem to require the cooperation or assistance or manipulation of a vast amount of mass and energy, nothing that we could push around with our current technology.
Corlian, I like that Sudoku analogy. It reminds me of the form of Einstein's field equations which come down to a matrix in which you have to insert possible answers to equations to see if you can achieve an exact solution. The form remains apparently perfect after all these years, but only a handfull of exact solutions have been found.
Godel's solution was an early answer but it was discarded as unphysical because nobody could detect a rotation of the universe and soon after it became official doctrine that the whole universe was expanding anyway. Nevertheless I eventually tracked down his original derivation last week and it comes directly from a solution to the field equations and the hyperspherical volume hypothesis has not been artificially added, thus I draw some comfort from the fact that my insertion of that hypothesis into his solution gives a rotation frequency that exactly closes the universe in time as well as space. (see Rotating universe and ouroboric spacetime on specularium).
Ah the soldier and the hunchback, a seminal treatise from uncle Aleister,
HGA = ! Stokasticism = ?. Is that what you observe!? Nice. Legend has it that all magi eventually opt for some form of '!' in before they die. Thirty years to go and I'm trying to retain an open mind.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2006, 11:39:49 PM » |
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At first, the things brought forth by Eris were in a state of chaos and went in every which way, but by the by She began playing with them and ordered some of them just to see what would happen. Some pretty things arose from this play and for the next five zillion years She amused Herself by creating order. And so She grouped some things with others and some groups with others, and big groups with little groups, and all combinations until She had many grand schemes which delighted Her.
Engrossed in establishing order, She finally one day noticed disorder (previously not apparent because everything was chaos). There were many ways in which chaos was ordered and many ways in which it was not.
"Hah," She thought, "Here shall be a new game."
And She taught order and disorder to play with each other in contest games, and to take turns amusing each other. She named the side of disorder after Herself, "ERISTIC" because Being is anarchic. And then, in a mood of sympathy for Her lonely sister, She named the other side "ANERISTIC" which flattered Aneris and smoothed the friction a little that was between them.
The emphasised theme seems to run all throught the Principia, and comprises one of the main "second order illuminations" that many (beleive it or not) discordians don't grasp at first. That "order" and "disorder" comprise two ways of viewing chaos means that to prefer one over the other wraps you in one of the Illusions (The ERISTIC Illusion, or the ANERISTIC Illusion). But until mankind evolved to perceive/manipulate Order, we could not perceive, nor comphrehend, nor even speculate about Disorder. This reminds me of jazz. In jazz, they often give aspiring improvisers this advice: a solo works best when it's 50% what the listener expects and 50% what they don't. (one can quibble about the percentages) I often refer to this idea when considering an action. I call it "jazz-predictability". Order and disorder play games with each other. And until you recognize a melody, you can't recognize the deviations. Thus neither are true (in some sense), and yet neither are false (in some sense). This makes up a very good vector into Spare's Neither-Neither Meditation technique. Thus, to take for example the HGA, one may perceive it as Ordered higher-consciousness, or as Disordered higher-consiousness, yet neither ecompasses it fully, as we may also view it as Both, and Neither. One can only seem sure of this: To talk about it destroys it, to directly experience it creates it, and yet whatever you Name it both seem integral to the experience.
I really like this within neither-neither, I hope to work on it as soon as possible. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2006, 04:07:28 AM » |
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8 Wasps, I've still not managed to break into the stanford time geometry material, I'd appreciate anything you can send. I post a link as soon as I'm done. HGA = ! Stokasticism = ?. Is that what you observe!? Nice. Legend has it that all magi eventually opt for some form of '!' in before they die. That modelized well the difference for me, but I must confess I myself developed that difference after indoctrination from Liber Null & Liber Kaos, from wich I took first magical imprintings and the idea that HGA relates to monotheism. So I cannot declare as an idea I developed myself. Meanwhile I observed notable magicians made use of HGAs (Crowley, Dukes, Fries) so I guess it may be an auspicable source of power. Since I have not experience in Augoeides and I cant' understand by rationalization the Faith Shift required to have one, I'm currently wondering what may be the differences between an HGA and a very very powerful familiar (eg: Spare's Black Eagle). |
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2006, 01:40:12 PM » |
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I'm currently wondering what may be the differences between an HGA and a very very powerful familiar (eg: Spare's Black Eagle). The HGA provides a model to identify with instead of whatever model you may currently use. A familiar would be worked with - you may invoke it, but you do not generally seek to annihilate yourself in favor of it. More so than a working relationship, identity provides an extremely strong magical link to transfer energy over. In this case, a very strong link over which to pull favorable characteristics from an ideal image into your working set of opinions/skills/powers/resources. |
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2006, 01:37:40 PM » |
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Guys and gals... some posts ago, in this thread, I wrote about the physicist with the multi-dimensional time theory and his site: http://www.stanford.edu/~afmayer/Alas, after some hours I posted the link the site was (and currently is) down. C'mon guys, who put the hex?  Of the two lectures on that site I backed the second up, and present it now after the request of the Captain and with fundamental webspace provided by our fellow Isis, who will be glad if you take time to check her art gallery web site between an abyss crossing and anothe. Cheers! http://www.artandnature.nl/theideosphere/Lecture2Signed.pdf |
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2006, 03:00:53 PM » |
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Oh yes yes yes! Nice work 8 Wasps.
I'm not surprised this paper got taken off the Stanford site, its Cosmic Grade Heresey, and it seems pretty much isomorphic with my own hypothesis underneath the different terminology. The authors have presented some very convincing interpretations of the evidence, and as they state, one of the so called towering achievemrents of the 2th century, the big bang theory, now begins to look very dodgy indeed. I suspect that an earthquake brews, and that many people's reputations and funding in this field will also get caught up in it. Unfortunately there's always politics in a scientific revolution, usually slowing it down.
I'll spend some time on the details of this paper and report back in a while.
In the meantime please see if you can find out any more for us.
Oh, and there's a couple of new items on specularium. stokastikos.
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2006, 06:27:07 PM » |
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In the meantime please see if you can find out any more for us. Roger that! http://afmayer.net/I missed the above link during the first search. I'm downloading all the stuff just in case... I suspect that an earthquake brews, and that many people's reputations and funding in this field will also get caught up in it. Unfortunately there's always politics in a scientific revolution, usually slowing it down. Well, if the theories stand, and if one of those theory was pulled out the hat from a geezer who claims himself a magician, such earthquake have potential to smash more than just academic beliefs. |
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2006, 08:58:10 AM » |
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Well I've had a through skim through the papers now and it seems that Mayers GTR, gravitational transverse redshift, performs pretty much the same function as the anderson decelleration does in my hypothesis and that they have the same origin, a rotating frame of reference and a positive spatial curvature. We both have an hyperspherical geometry and topology and I can see little real difference between 3 dimensional time and many dimensions (directions) in time, we both reject the dark matter and dark energy hypotheses. We share a considerable overlap in the evidence that we have selected in support of our ideas. We do have points of difference though, he has black holes of a kind connected to wormholes, but not much evidence to support the idea. H6D has a grounding in particle physics but Mayer does not delve into this realm.
Its still unclear to me what standing he has in the physics community or what connection he has to Stanford. I'll see if i can get him to reply to an email. Stokastikos.
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2006, 06:58:50 AM » |
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The Felber solution to the field equations at least has the advantage that the forward antigrav effect would at least in theory shield the ship from the hazards of encountering rocks, dust and perhaps radiation at enormous speeds. It would act rather like the deflector on the star trek ships. However his solution does not tell us how we can easily avail ourselves of a ship or convenient lump pf debris travelling at a significant fraction of lightspeed.
I'd be suspicious of any kind of electro-gravitic theory, nobody has yet succeeded in getting any kind of gravity effect out of any kind of electromagnetic device, they seem to be completely different kinds of 'forces'. Gravito-magnetism is merely the frame dragging effect of a spinning lump of mass, its got nothing to do with electromegnetism. something of a misnomer.
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