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« on: May 19, 2006, 11:05:10 PM » |
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Kia = Space.
Without borders, without limits, without center, without circumference.
Without birth, without death.
Kia lke spacious freedom?
Does anyone know?
-Hen
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jamadara
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2006, 11:16:35 PM » |
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I have always enjoyed you comments about space, Henbane, because they feel close to my own considerations, but one question: if kia = space, then why do we call it kia, not simply space?
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henbane intl.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2006, 10:34:16 PM » |
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Good question. Kia is a word defining a state. Space is a word defining a state (or a place or lack of place).
The words could be interchangable depending on who or what is using them.
Space is more buddhistic,I guess, it implies complete uncompounded & unconditioned freedom. Uncompunded meaning; not created nor able to 'be' destroyed.
I suggest maybe it is similar to the definition of Kia...?
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Arthur Emerson
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2006, 04:40:13 AM » |
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I would say that Kia is not meant to define anything. Although there have been given definitions of Kia, I have always felt that the word and its definitions were the finger pointing, not the answer (state) itself. That can be probably be said of all words. The difference in my mind, however, is that Kia isn't meant to be spoken about or defined, but experienced. 'Kia' is a provokation. While it can be said to define a state I think this is misleading. Kia is only apprehendable by Kia- one is probably better then to be silent about it.
Kenneth Grant's considerations of Kia and Advaita are in my opinion wholly provocative in this matter.
-ae
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henbane intl.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2006, 09:29:25 PM » |
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That is exactly what is meant in the Dzogchen teachings when rigpa or non-duality is spoken about. Spacious Awareness is pure non-dual awareness without an observed or an observor, total freedom...
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Thinair
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2008, 05:36:58 PM » |
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Ooooookay, probably a really stupid question (first of many) but...
Without borders, without limits, without center, without circumference.
Without birth, without death.
I would say that Kia is not meant to define anything.
Whether you call it 'Kai' or you call it 'space', you've just defined it. In three letters or five you've given birth to it - brought it into tangible existence with the limits imposed by lexicon.
Surely, if something is to have no limits, no conceptual birth, death or circumference; to remain undefined - then it should have no name....?
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