daoism

[alk mem]

yeah, but if 10 is completion or 'the-universe-at-peak-cyclical-expression' then ELEVEN is "everything + one".....(and thus a doorway, a wormhole is born....?)

    ... I keep having thoughts about this 11 idea of yours, but I've neglected to post much about it because, well, they're hard to express.  So I hope this makes some sort of sense.
      so I think 11, like 0,  acts like a singularity consisting of self-reference.
     

{sophIA0}

interesting! and thanks for that...11 still baffles me. i know this is still the DAOISM thread, but i think this is an area where all deep mystical traditions have a hand...for example, unless this was already mentioned, in Kabbalah, there are levels of even "sacred" or numinous or illuminative (etc) NOTHINGNESS....and i don't know if these are transcendences (or PREscendences....?!) of the basic binary system of inFormation:

0

00

000

[Ratatosk]

I always considered the Law of Fives, the magic of 23 and the power of 42 as good examples that we may modify our perceptions at will. I never noticed 42, until I read Hithchikers Guide, then 42 appears everywhere. I never paid much attention to 23, until I read RAW... now 23's invade my numerological space like lemmings. Does some power or meaning exist in any number, or do humans tend to tie some particular number to a psychological handle?

I dunno, just thoughts.

[alk mem]

I always considered the Law of Fives, the magic of 23 and the power of 42 as good examples that we may modify our perceptions at will. I never noticed 42, until I read Hithchikers Guide, then 42 appears everywhere...

yeah, i always gravitated to 42 as well....but again, is this conscious or not? i never read Adams' book, but that is interesting that 42 is brought up there.

i think 42 is sacred in ancient egyptian myth(e)ologies...it's been awhile, but i think in the "going forth by day" book (of the "dead"), there are 42 laws? or...

[flibbertigibbet]

I always considered the Law of Fives, the magic of 23 and the power of 42 as good examples that we may modify our perceptions at will. I never noticed 42, until I read Hithchikers Guide, then 42 appears everywhere. I never paid much attention to 23, until I read RAW... now 23's invade my numerological space like lemmings. Does some power or meaning exist in any number, or do humans tend to tie some particular number to a psychological handle?

I dunno, just thoughts.

in this regard i have always enjoyed doing RAW's exercise of looking for quarters ($.25) from prometheus rising.  not that it answers the enigma, but just takes you further down the rabbit hole (not to mention a modest way to pad your income).  kind of a chicken and egg kinda thing.

[Unnamed]

The Dao, if I put it into western metaphysical terms, is the groundless ground, the boundless bound, or, in other words, the transfinite potentiality that is the sole substance of all that exists.

[Defenestrator]

kind of a chicken and egg kinda thing.

...or a goat and tin-can kinda thing. 

[alk mem]

The Dao, if I put it into western metaphysical terms, is the groundless ground, the boundless bound, or, in other words, the transfinite potentiality that is the sole substance of all that exists.

yep. i agree/see. but i've always had a problem with western metaphysical language constructs. after the Derrida wave, i am further problematized by the extended hang-ups post-modern critical theory has with western metaphysic's blurry, conceptual/lingual architectural ontology....

soy vey....

anyways, i also know it's a problem when i think it is a problem. it's that easy.

yep,it's that easy to be make it a problem....

in other words, i still like the whole gamut and arsenal of exploding (but fun to watch) wordings like "groundless ground of being" or the "gateless gate".............

the tao is simply harmony with whatever is happening.

and that simultaneously says too much and not enough: depending on who is sparring with what isn't "harmonious"

    

[conatus]

maybe you guys find this interesting

some notes from a Daoist class:

In Daoist cosmology, water appears the mother of all things, the origin
                              chaos appears as water (Confucianism strives for order)
                              a state of chaos leads to a healing crisis
                              allow the person to move into a state of chaos
everything strives for self-preservation
the label of fear -> must bring that label into a state of chaos
all healing acts as faith healing
praying aims not to change a divinity's mind, but your mind

I have seen lots of talk of chaos in daoism

another tidbit:
loss remains inevitable
pain remains inevitable
suffering becomes optional

[alk mem]

wow. it's been a year or so since i was here...

i was asleep here and awake somewhere else!

anyways, back to where we were.

eleven or 11...is that also "2"...?....(as MONKEY intimated....)

i see it as maybe the binary code disrupted

not 101010101010adnauseum (grinding perpetualness)
but 111111111111
 or  1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1  a d  i n f i n i t u m

o and 10 as completion??
then 11 is completion+

of course this is just semantic/metaphoric play. but those are the unrules of the numero(il)logical game of dao, eh??