Invoking in Others

[Corlian]

Does anyone here invoke forms into other people?  For good or ill?  Should we consider something like this an attack if the person doesn't see it coming?  Can we use this as a D&D cleric would, to heal or to instill courage or strength or other attributes?

On a psychological angle, do we invoke ideas into other people all the time?  I often feel as if I conform (to varying degrees, and sometimes very unwillingly) to people's conceptions of me, making me feel alternately like the king of the world or as meek as a mouse.  Assuming I'm not imagining it, would this resemble the act of invoking into someone else?

[bread_sandwich]

Its an interesting idea, in group ritual, you kind of are invoking into someone else, or at least playing a part in the process. I would say that one can never truley control anothe human, though.

[Defenestrator]

I would say that one can never truley control anothe human, though.

Technically, I agree, in that I think people have to cooperate at some level in order to be "controlled" (although it may be at an unconscious level).

However, seeing how the overwhelming majority of the people appear so easily manipulated by parents, friends, popular culture, government, church, mass media, etc. the result appears the same as if the controllers were flipping switches and pushing buttons.

The big question is whether this could be termed invocation or enchantment?

[StSimon]

However, seeing how the overwhelming majority of the people appear so easily manipulated by parents, friends, popular culture, government, church, mass media, etc. the result appears the same as if the controllers were flipping switches and pushing buttons.

The big question is whether this could be termed invocation or enchantment?

In D&D terms it would definitely fall under the Enchantment school of magic, dealing with charming others to behave in a manner they would not under normal conditions.  With Chaos Magick, it depends on your method; enchantment if you mechanically manipulate circumstances to control behavior, invocation if you call upon yourself a rulership archetype and thus attract followers.


Differing perceptual grids often use similar terms in specialized ways.  Look at the scientific use of the word "theory" (a hypothesis that best explains the data) compared to what most people mean when they say "theory" (a hunch).  This explains the ID (intelligent design, or creationism by another name) campaign to sticker biology books with warning labels.