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« on: June 04, 2005, 05:30:30 PM »

I got started via Donald Michael Craig's book way back when, and have almost always worked within the traditional western ceremonial magic tradition.

To be honest though, sometimes it seems a little crufty and theatrical.

Can anyone give me some good pointers on other methods that might work well?  Something more earthy and direct, maybe.
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2005, 06:01:00 PM »

Can anyone give me some good pointers on other methods that might work well?  Something more earthy and direct, maybe.

3-5 grams of Psilocybe cubensis always works for me...

Seriously tho, that is not a good suggestion for everyone; and just because you take 'shrooms doesn't make you a shaman.  Intention and focus play a major part.  Lately, my practice consists more of meditational gnosis, rather than ingested -- not so coincidentally, when I do happen to indulge now, I find I have greater control of the state than I did in my late teens and early twenties.  I have yet to blend psychedelics with ceremonial workings, but I imagine evocations will seem much more natural.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2005, 11:40:55 AM »

I found the book Global Ritualism by Denny Sargent to be inspiring.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2005, 11:57:28 PM »

You might like to work with your
poweranimal.
You go down into the netherworld to find it.
You access the worlds from the worldtree.
If you see it 4 times in parts of from different direction
it wants to come with you.
You bring it with you into this world.
After that it can be your guide in your journeys.
It said that you have to keep impowering or it will loose
power. So you dance it at times, or you have it's medicine
or an altar even.
Some animals can last lifetimes other may come and go.
It is not a servitor, or an invocation though.
While I write an eagle has landed on my shoulder. 
That took me a bit by surprise.

Shamanism lets the subconcious speak
and act as helper. It is not so concerned with programming it
as western magick, at least that is what I think. 

 

 



 


 
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2005, 04:06:40 PM »

You might like to work with your
poweranimal.
You go down into the netherworld to find it.
You access the worlds from the worldtree.

Shamanism lets the subconcious speak
and act as helper. It is not so concerned with programming it
as western magick, at least that is what I think. 

I don't know much about shamanism, do you have a specific ritual for doing this?

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Shamanism lets the subconcious speak
and act as helper. It is not so concerned with programming it
as western magick, at least that is what I think. 
 

That's the impression I have of shamanism, too. I'm mostly familiar with abstract/intellectual Golden Dawn-type stuff, but it might be good to expand into more pagan/shamanistic stuff, too.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2005, 07:54:05 PM »

Phil Hine has written three interesting essays on shamanic practices.
They throw very much light on Shamanism for me. A must read indeed.

http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/index_e-books.html

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 11:33:18 AM »

I thought "Breaking Open The Head" had some fantastic ideas, though I'm not sure about everything Pinchbeck has to say.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2005, 09:16:40 AM »

I recently rekindled my interest in shamanism (started a decade ago when I read Tom Cowan's _Fire in the Head: Shamanism and the Celtic Spirit_, but fizzled out not long thereafter), and a friend of mine just (synchronistically? to my knowledge, he has no knowledge of my interest) handed me a copy of Bob Shea's _Shaman: A Novel_. Anyone here read it? Thoughts?
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2005, 03:39:53 PM »

I haven't read Bob Shea's _Shaman: A Novel_, but I have read his "All Things Are Lights", and I really really enjoyed it. Written about one of the Crusades (the one that made it to egypt?) and the Bard tradition mixing with Templars and Sufis.....good fun, and one of the most positive portrayals of an Illuminati that I've read.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2005, 03:57:58 PM »

I haven't read Bob Shea's _Shaman: A Novel_, but I have read his "All Things Are Lights", and I really really enjoyed it. Written about one of the Crusades (the one that made it to egypt?) and the Bard tradition mixing with Templars and Sufis.....good fun, and one of the most positive portrayals of an Illuminati that I've read.

Thank you, Telarus. My friend's wife used to work for Shea and has nothing but good things to say about him.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2005, 03:37:19 PM »



Thank you, Telarus. My friend's wife used to work for Shea and has nothing but good things to say about him.

This must be the same Shea who co-wrote the Illuminatus Trilogy with RAW?
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2005, 03:41:28 PM »

This must be the same Shea who co-wrote the Illuminatus Trilogy with RAW?

As far as I know, yes.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2005, 08:50:31 PM »

I don't know much about shamanism, do you have a specific ritual for doing this?



shamanism to me is not any easier, but it is certainly more relaxed, less, formal, less symmetrical...

there is more a following of the gut....finding that gut can be part of the process for sure.

funny, i am only lately, tiptoe-ing into practicing "western" ceremonial magic with taking the chaos course (which seems to blend well or allow amply for both in-house ceremonialism and outdoors shamanism...even tho either can take place anywhere...)

but that's the difference...ceremonial western reality warping seems still too victorian to me....and i know that is simply a prejudice on my part....

i prefer the hoary bearded, drum banging, cave-scrawling, bone-throwing, stick-gathering approach and practice (and atmosphere) of "shamanism"..............

i'll elaborate more later....but just wanted to make that warbly distinction for now............. Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2005, 01:30:04 AM »


shamanism to me is not any easier, but it is certainly more relaxed, less, formal, less symmetrical...


That appeals to me... it seems no matter what type of magic used, it needs a healthy dose of both intellect (to direct it towards a specific goal) and emotional energy/passion (to give it enough power to make it work), and whether it's pagan/shamanism or Golden Dawn is just a matter of style, in essence they're all the same.
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2005, 11:40:35 AM »


shamanism to me is not any easier, but it is certainly more relaxed, less, formal, less symmetrical...


That appeals to me... it seems no matter what type of magic used, it needs a healthy dose of both intellect (to direct it towards a specific goal) and emotional energy/passion (to give it enough power to make it work), and whether it's pagan/shamanism or Golden Dawn is just a matter of style, in essence they're all the same.


if anything (i don't mean though to take sides: i know it is apparent i prefer the shamanistic approach....barefeet, not high heels.... Evil), but that relaxed approach i allude to can most certainly lead to more intense experiences...i realize that is quite too subjective of a statement, but i hope the context is understood.

(and yet it implies that one's intent must be strong but supple...an enhanced sense of equanimity...

would that be willful ambivalence?)


shamanism is the oldest approach and most certainly was already (metaphorically or not...) riding brooms, sticks, clouds, inner-pharmakopaeic-space for millenia....

i think the newer branches of categorical magic (ancient middle east/egypto-assyrian etc as well as modern-GD and post-mod CHAOS modes) can all be implemented, blended....

as we have shown in the MLA-CM course, there is already much success thus far....

and categorical walls for many of us have been duly strengthened: strong doors or stargates between dimensions ( or dementias Wink ) installed...




and/or simply obliterated...



Unscrew the locks from the doors! 
Unscrew the doors themselves from their jambs!
 
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by the way, you can never go wrong with reading a few paragraphs of anything by Terence McKenna, especially much of THE ARCHAIC REVIVAL...and pretty much every drop of ink in TRUE HALLUCINATIONS.
Therein those tomes lie many a white whale........and their accompanying shadows, sputtering auras, live-wire spinal cords whipping frantically back and forth...







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additional note: i am not so sure of this new wave of de-culturalized shamanism as spearheaded by Harner & Co...much good in it for sure....but...

another note on shamanism and modern magick: i think that i--like many of us here and elswehere--go thru phases. i admit to being more drawn at times to high magick (as well as deep south hoodoo "low" magic), the beautiful, ceremonial theatre of it all....i like that option. but sometimes, too much text and too much expounding on that often superfluousness of textuality really gets in the way of pure experience.

an old theme of mine i return to...that the prepositional position of much magic = theory. and theory needs to be put to the test more often. eLABORation is quite necessary...but i see many of us, ME INCLUDED, often getting caught up in the talk OF or ABOUT essence....

cerebral titillation is fine...but where is the ELATION of enchantment which is an experience beyond any verbiage (ya know, to paraphrase: the Tao that can be described is but a language-construct of that which cannot be grammatically stilled, caught, described....it might be close, but to use the old zen phrase, it's a finger pointing at the moon...or the moon's reflection in an old bamboo bucket who'es sides are now falling apart: where's the moon now?   Undecided)

a fine grain of salt for sure, but how about less labwork and more field reports? just a note to myself made public.... Lips Sealed
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